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- Subject: alt.binaries.pictures FAQ - General Etiquette
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- Archive-name: pictures-faq/part1
- Last-modified: 03 March 1993
-
- This is part 1 of the FAQ for the alt.binaries.pictures* hierarchy.
- This part of the alt.binaries.pictures FAQ contains "general etiquette
- suggestions", those handy little rules that'll help you avoid getting
- flamed by dozens of other a.b.p* readers. It is *HIGHLY* recommended
- that you read and understand this section fully before posting to any of
- the a.b.p* groups.
-
- For information on "general", or operating-system independent
- information, questions you may have about the pictures newsgroups,
- decoding and encoding techniques, or picture formats, consult part 2
- of this posting.
-
- For information on your particular system and on specific utilities,
- consult part 3 of this posting.
-
- Before posting to these groups for the first time, please check the FAQ
- list (this posting - including parts 2 and 3), and also read the newsgroup
- news.announce.newusers, which contains many answers to questions about
- UseNet in general.
-
- If you've read previous versions of this FAQ, you'll probably only want
- to read anything that has changed since the last distribution. These
- changes appear both in this document and in the accompanying "Changes to
- the alt.binaries.pictures FAQ". Note that this is a "live" document, and
- is always getting important information added or updated.
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- TABLE OF CONTENTS
- I. USENET NEWSGROUPS AND THEIR USAGE
- II. POSTING VOLUME
- III. WHAT/WHEN TO POST
- IV. POSTING CONTENT
- V. Subject: LINE STANDARDS
- VI. ANONYMOUS FTP
- VII. "REPOST" REQUESTS
- VIII. TEST POSTS
- IX. DEALING WITH THOSE WHO DON'T/WON'T FOLLOW ETIQUETTE
-
-
- I. USENET NEWSGROUPS AND THEIR USAGE
-
- If you can't access UseNet (an international BBS-like system transmitted via
- Internet), then you can't access these newsgroups either - don't bother
- asking! You may still find the information in parts 2 and 3 valuable for
- "general" pictures-viewing purposes, but you're out of luck as far as
- getting any of the pictures that are posted in UseNet newsgroups.
- Articles contained in the news groups in the alt.binaries.pictures*
- hierarchy are available ONLY by subscribing to those groups through UseNet;
- there are no FTP archive sites (with the exception of a.b.p.fractals - see
- the "ftpsites" list on bongo), mailing list, or mail servers that allow
- access to these articles. There is nothing unique or "magical" about the
- pictures newsgroups - you subscribe to them as you would any other UseNet
- newsgroup (like rec.humor, for example). If you want access to the pictures
- hierarchy, your site must subscribe to it; talk to your news administrator!
- Alternatively, you might be able to access these UseNet groups by connecting
- to another site that *does* carry the UseNet pictures newsgroups, and do
- your news reading there (then FTP the articles back to your site). This
- may also be a problem, as you may not be able to telnet to another site
- (because you don't have a true Internet connection), and you might also not
- be able to access news at that site without the OK of the systems
- administrator. You might check out either the UseNet
- alt.internet.access.wanted or the alt.internet.services news groups to get
- more info or make requests for remote access... (I've recently been
- informed that the following sites provide Internet/UseNet access for a
- small monthly fee, and also provide dial-up services for PCs: netcom.com,
- digex.com, a2i.rahul.net).
- Those of you without UseNet access (and therefore no way to access the
- alt.internet* newsgroups) can get the necessary information via anonymous
- FTP from pit-manager.mit.edu [18.72.1.58] as the file
- "/pub/usenet/news.answers/internet-services.Z", on ftp.cs.ruu.nl
- [131.211.80.17] as the file "/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/internet-services", or from
- ftp.uu.net [137.39.1.2, 137.39.1.9, or 192.48.96.2] in the file
- "/usenet/news.answers/internet-services.Z". You can also get the
- alt.internet.services FAQ via UUCP by retrieving the file
- "uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/internet-services".
- For an e-mail version of the alt.internet.services FAQ, send a message
- to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the mail body
- "send usenet/news.answers/internet-services" or e-mail to
- mail-server@cs.ruu.nl with "send NEWS.ANSWERS/internet-services" in the
- body of the message.
-
- That said, on to the usage policies of the alt.binaries.pictures*
- newsgroups:
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.erotica is for erotic pictures ONLY.
- Erotic (adj): Of or arousing sexual feelings or desires; having to do
- with sexual love; amatory.
- ONLY the erotica newsgroups should be used for pictures of human nudity
- or any form of pornography.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d is for the Discussion of pix in ABPE, etc.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless is for "tasteless", "bizarre", or
- "grotesque" pictures ONLY.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.fractals is for fractal pictures ONLY.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.misc is for the remaining types of pictures ONLY.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.d is for the Discussion of pix in ABPT, ABPF, ABPM, etc.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.graphics is for the posting of ORIGINAL
- artwork created using computer programs ONLY. Moderated.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.digitized is for the posting of scanned
- ORIGINAL artwork ONLY. Moderated.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.d is for the Discussion of pix in ABPF-AG or
- ABPF-AD ONLY. Moderated.
-
- Alt.binaries.pictures.utilities is for the posting of source or binary
- executables of pictures-related software.
-
- Any alt.binaries.pictures groups NOT mentioned above are either "splinter"
- groups or are otherwise not officially sanctioned because their charter is
- covered under one of the "official" pictures newsgroups. Any postings to
- those newsgroups are likely to be rare, and probably will also not get very
- good propagation to other sites...
-
- Comp.sources.misc is a good place for image-viewing source code.
-
- Comp.graphics is a good place for discussion of image formats.
-
- Alt.graphics.pixutils is for discussion of image format translation.
-
- Throughout the remainder of this document, any newsgroup in the
- alt.binaries.pictures.* hierarchy WITHOUT the '.d' extension (including, but
- not limited to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless,
- and alt.binaries.pictures.misc) will be referred to as "the pictures
- newsgroups", and those WITH the '.d' extension (including, but not limited to
- alt.binaries.pictures.d and alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d) will be referred
- to as "the discussion newsgroups". These two types of newsgroups work
- basically the same way as the comp.binaries.ibm.pc and c.b.i.p.d groups; one
- is for posting new material, and one is for discussing posts and other issues.
-
- BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF ABP* ETIQUETTE IS:
- The pictures newsgroups are for pictures ONLY (if it's not a picture,
- don't post it in any of these newsgroups)!!!! It has been pointed out
- that some sites carry the pictures newsgroups without also carrying the
- discussion newsgroups. This is very unfortunate, as there is often
- valuable information contained in the discussion newsgroups that anyone
- who frequents the pictures newsgroups would find of interest. If your
- site doesn't carry the discussion newsgroups, complain to your news
- administrator!
-
- The basic idea is this: if it is a picture, post it to the appropriate
- pictures newsgroup. If it is *ANYTHING ELSE* ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING
- ELSE (INCLUDING UTILITIES!!), post it to the associated discussion newsgroup
- or to an appropriate utilities newsgroup (like a.b.p.utilities, for example)!
- The truth is that I feel bad about posting *THIS FILE* to the pictures
- newsgroups, because it is not a picture. However, the benefits of restricting
- the requests for info far outweigh the detriment of breaking this rule.
-
- PLEASE DO NOT POST ANYTHING TO THE PICTURES NEWSGROUPS THAT IS NOT A
- PICTURE OF SOME SORT!!!!
-
-
- II. POSTING VOLUME
-
- The first thing is this: please restrict yourself to a maximum of 400
- KB of images per day. If you've got a bunch of extremely small (50K
- to 100 KB) pictures, then you can post several of them at once. If
- you've got a few medium-sized pictures (150 to 200 KB), then you should
- only post one or two of them per day. If you've got a few rather large
- to huge (400K or more) pictures, you should only post one of them per
- day. It's best to post the full image the same day, as some sites
- expire things daily (sometimes in an even shorter period), so your
- complete image would never be available there.
-
- As you're no doubt thinking, this is inconvenient. Wouldn't it be nice
- just to be able to post everything at once? Well, the problem is, if
- you do this, you're essentially cutting your own throat (and others'
- as well.)
-
- The problem is that it takes a lot of time and effort (albeit automated,
- but still), money, and disk space to transmit your pictures all over the
- world. Unlike a lot of students at universities (for example), many
- people at many sites have to pay directly out of their own pockets to
- transmit news articles, in the form of phone bills for their modems.
- Also, a lot of sites don't have infinitely large disks, and a
- particularly heavy day of posting can actually fill up entire partitions.
-
- You still might be thinking, "Well, that's their problem." - and you're
- right. However, it becomes YOUR problem because a lot of sites still
- propagate news articles in serial chains:
-
- A <---> B <---> C <---> D <---> E
-
- Now, say you're site A. You decide to post a few MB of pictures in one
- day. Site B connects to your site, A, and grabs the articles. Site C
- connects to site B and attempts to grab the articles. But site C is
- rather limited. Its disks fill up a few times, perhaps the system
- crashes. The sysadmin knows he will get an outrageous phone bill caused
- by just ATTEMPTING to transmit all of your pictures.
-
- So the sysadmin of site C "drops" the group (or groups) in which you posted
- all of your pictures. So the people at sites D and E will now NEVER SEE
- ANY OF THE PICTURES YOU POST. Conversely, because the chain is
- bidirectional, if the people at sites D or E post some pictures, YOU
- WILL NEVER SEE THEM. Congratulations, you've just slit not only your
- own throat, but the throats of EVERYONE at sites A, B, C, D, and E as
- well.
-
- This is why everyone must post only limited amounts per day. As it is,
- pictures newsgroups account for something like 50% of the entire net
- traffic, and 75% of the alt.* traffic. We need to be self-policing, or
- the pictures newsgroups will die out because of the phenomenon mentioned
- above.
-
-
- III. WHAT/WHEN TO POST
-
- A common question that is asked is this one: what should I post to the
- net? The basic answer is: anything you'd like to see here yourself!
-
- If you got the file from some FTP site that was announced over the net,
- don't bother posting it. 5-to-1 odds say that everyone and his dog
- already have it, and we *really* need to be careful about wasting
- bandwidth! If you're unsure of whether there's any interest in it,
- just post a short message saying: "I have this file. Mail me if you
- want a copy." If 500 people say they want one, post it... if only one
- bozo from outer mongolia wants it, it's a sure bet that the picture has
- already made the rounds! You might consider *e-mailing* it to the bozo
- from outer mongolia instead!
-
- The same goes if you see a request! If that same bozo posts a request
- for T2.gif and you've got it and are thinking about posting it, *MAIL*
- it to him/her instead! This will eliminate the problem of the same
- picture getting posted to the net on a weekly basis (and pissing a lot
- of people off in the process)!!!
-
- Another practice that is generally frowned upon is converting or modifying
- a file in some way and posting that. This includes file renaming. If
- you're planning on posting something you got from somewhere, DON'T DINK
- WITH IT by converting it from GIF to JPEG format, cropping it, remapping
- colors, or naming it something "better". You're certainly welcome to do
- any or all of these things to your own personal copy - just don't re-post
- it with your changes! Keep the original for re-posting purposes...
-
-
- IV. POSTING CONTENT
-
- In the actual message you're posting (commonly in either part 0 or part
- 1), be sure to give at least a brief description of what's in it, like:
-
- CRSH+BRN.GIF 800x600x256 (in 8 parts)
-
- This is 15th in the series of this plane crash at the Beirut Air Show
- taken at every single conceivable angle. This one was taken from a
- photograph by a guy who happened to be standing directly under the
- plane as it came down. Pulitzer Prize material. At least the camera
- was saved.
-
- Also, checksums are nice, for people with access to sum programs. It
- helps people identify erroneous transmissions. Usually people include
- things like
-
- Checksums: (obtained with 4.2 BSD 'sum' or SysV 'sum -r')
- between 'CUT HERE lines':
- part 1: 76663 9082
- part 2: 78973 1234
- etc...
-
- In the case where someone is going to be posting several pictures of
- a series, they sometimes choose to post an "index" picture that contains
- the entire series, each at a smaller scale. This is great, it gives
- everyone a chance to see if they're interested in the series at all, but
- this does NOT mean that the poster should not use descriptions in the
- individual postings! And a description of "this is the third pictures
- from the index I posted the other day" doesn't cut it, either. As for
- the "index" posting itself, a simple description of the entire series is
- probably in order, but it's not necessary to describe each picture of the
- series. Also, make sure that the index pictures aren't so small as to
- make them unrecognizable - otherwise you're just wasting bandwidth! The
- best format for an index posting is nearly always going to be JPEG, since
- it can handle 24 bits worth of color. Even if the pictures of the index
- are all 8-bit GIFs (256 colors), it's very unlikely that they all use the
- *same* 256 colors - posting the index in GIF loses *a lot* of color, since
- all the individual picture colors need to be re-mapped in order to share
- a common set of 256 colors.
-
- If you have a GIF file, don't bother trying to run some compression
- routine on it... it *won't* work. LZW compression (the kind used in
- GIF files) is a very efficient compression scheme, and happens to be
- the one used in many common compression routines (including the standard
- UNIX `compress' utility!). If you try to compress a GIF file, it will
- usually just end up getting bigger, and cause undue hardship to those
- trying to download and decode the picture as well.
-
- The most common standard for binary file transmission is the UUENCODE
- standard. Apple's BinHex is also frequently used. Be aware, however,
- that the further you stray from a standard, the fewer the people that
- will be able to decode your posting, and the more it begins to become
- high-volume garbage.
-
- It is necessary to split large files because of a few reasons. First of
- all, not all news software can handle huge files. Secondly, and more
- important, if some sort of error in transmission occurs (yes, it *does*
- happen from time to time) you only need to re-broadcast one small part,
- rather than the whole multi-megabyte image.
-
- If you do post a multi-part file, be sure to add lines before and
- after the data that say 'CUT HERE' so that people trimming the headers
- and trailers by hand know where to cut. A recent addition to the
- etiquette also has you make the lines say 'BEGIN-----Cut Here' and
- 'END-----Cut Here' at the obvious locations, so that simple AWK and
- PERL scripts can handle multi-part files. Another nice thing to do is
- to put the part (02/06) numbers in each file. There are several
- "super" uuencode programs that will do most of this for you (see part
- 3 for more details). It is important to make the "Cut Here" parts in
- mixed-case or lower-case letters; some decoders detect data based on
- the presence of characters which belong in the normal uuencoding
- character set, and they will choke on lines which are all upper-case,
- as these are valid uuencode characters. If you mix the cases, these
- decoders will do fine... Remember (if you add "BEGIN" and "END"
- keywords) to make "BEGIN" and "END" all caps so existing scripts won't
- miss them, and so uudecoders won't choke on them.
-
-
- V. Subject: LINE STANDARDS
-
- Above all else, be sure to give subject lines that are informative.
- The subject line should contain (at an absolute minimum):
- The file name
- Which part this is, and how many total parts
-
- As an expanded suggestion for a standard, consider the following:
-
- - filename.type (part/total) {label} ^REPOST^ [sh] "extraTitle"
- ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
- | | | | | | | | |
- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
-
- 1) The '-' character sets this off as a picture posting (not a follow-up,
- not a request, not a flame for a follow-up or a request, etc.).
- OPTIONAL (but highly suggested).
- 2) The name of the file. You might consider limiting this to a maximum
- of as few as 8 characters, since this is the limit of some archaic
- operating systems. Other nearly equally archaic OS's limit you to 14
- characters. Do what you will, but realize others' limitations...
- REQUIRED.
- 3) The type of picture (GIF, JPEG, PostScript). The suggested standard
- is to stick to all lower case, three characters maximum (gif, jpg, ps).
- REQUIRED.
- 4, 5) Which part of how many this is. Enclosed in parentheses.
- REQUIRED.
- 6) The type of picture ("male", "female", "both", "plane", "scenic", etc.).
- Enclosed in curly brackets.
- OPTIONAL (but very considerate).
- 7) Notifies everyone that this is a repost of a posting that went sour.
- Enclosed in up-arrows (circumflex or caret characters).
- OPTIONAL (but very considerate).
- 8) Flag that notifies people that this posting uses script wrappers (in case
- they have to handle these special). Enclosed in square brackets.
- OPTIONAL (but very considerate).
- 9) Additional descriptive text to give a better idea of what's in the picture.
- Enclosed in double quotes.
- OPTIONAL (but very considerate).
-
- This suggested standard is intended to be strictly ordered (i.e. if there's
- a ^REPOST^ notification, it appears after any label info and before any
- script wrapper notification).
-
- For example:
-
- - CRSH+BRN.GIF (02/08) {plane} "Plane crash at an air show, 800x600x256"
- Notice that it includes everything: the file name, what part of how
- many this one is, a short description, and the resolution. If you
- insist on leaving everything *else* out, at least say the name of
- the file and which part of how many it is!
- In the "erotica" newsgroups, it's also popular (and often demanded!)
- to include the picture subject's gender (i.e. "{male}", "{female}",
- "{both}", etc.). The gender should be considered as part of the
- minimal set of information in the "erotica" newsgroups, as the addition
- of this information to the subject line makes it possible for people to
- avoid spending time downloading stuff they don't care about.
-
- Certain newsreaders (NN, for example) sort the articles alphabetically
- by title, so subject lines with part numbers get displayed and saved
- in order. There is an obvious (and common) way to torpedo this
- process: make subject lines which do not follow sequentially.
-
- An example:
- first article's subject: "plane crash GIF: CRSH+BRN (part 1 / 4)"
- subsequent articles' subjects: "CRSH+BRN (part N / 4)"
- These subject lines will not be displayed and sorted correctly by NN.
-
- However, if you change the arrangement a little, like this:
- first article's subject: "CRSH+BRN (part 1/4) plane crash GIF"
- subsequent articles' subjects: "CRSH+BRN (part N/4)"
- you will please NN-users the world over.
-
-
- VI. ANONYMOUS FTP
-
- A word about anonymous FTP and GIF files. When you log onto a remote
- machine via anonymous FTP, please try to restrict yourself to no more
- then ten minutes of transmission time, or about five to ten files. As
- you can imagine, when people discover a new archive of GIF files,
- they are all hot to download every one they can, and often they jam up
- the site for *days*. You'll notice this effect the first time some
- bozo announces the name of a new GIF archive. You won't be able to
- get through without persistent efforts over several hours or even a
- day or two. Then the system administrators of that site notice that
- they have had about $5,000 worth of anonymous FTP over the last two
- days, and revoke the anonymous FTP privilege. Now every one is
- screwed.
-
- Be considerate; grab only a few files and then let someone else have a
- chance. This probably won't solve the problem in the long term (still
- everyone and his dog will be ftp'ing into that machine), but at least
- it will spread the wealth a bit.
-
- As for anonymous FTP sites for erotica pictures, THEY DO NOT EXIST (except
- of course for that long-standing favorite, 127.0.0.1 - the Internet
- loop-back address... your own machine, of course!). Even if you find an
- anonymous FTP site that *appears* to have erotica pictures, it is merely an
- illusion. As the sage once said, "Revel in your illusions, don't share
- them." The effects of sharing your illusion in this case *ALWAYS* results
- in your illusion being rendered non-existent (in one way or another). For
- this very same reason, it is considered very poor form to ask someone else
- to share their illusions with you. If you were considering asking for a
- list of anonymous FTP sites with erotica pictures -- don't.
-
-
- VII. "REPOST" REQUESTS
-
- Your absolutely last course of action should be to ask for a repost of
- an article. There are so very many other ways that the download and
- decode process could have failed, you should be very sure that none of
- these steps went south BEFORE asking for a repost. After you have
- exhausted all of the possibilities from your end, post to the discussion
- newsgroup and request someone to send you their (working) copy. If
- enough people post requests of this sort, eventually the original
- poster will usually re-post it. If you're the only person with a
- problem, someone is bound to send you the file, and you'll save the
- net 'hundreds if not thousands of dollars.'
- Also, just because you've already read an article doesn't mean it has
- vanished off the face of the earth. It is a fairly simple matter to get
- back to articles you've already read (unless your site administrator
- has removed them or they've expired). There are essentially four methods
- to accomplish this (examples assume you're using rn):
- 1. Assuming you know the article number(s) of the postings, just
- enter the article number from within that newsgroup. Voila!
- 2. Since you probably DON'T know the article number, once you are
- in the appropriate newsgroup, you can step backwards or forwards
- through the articles by using "P" (previous) and "N" (next).
- 3. So you don't know the article number, and you don't want to step
- backwards through 50+ articles - what now? As long as you
- remember something from the subject line of the article, you can
- use regular expressions to search backwards, using the command
- "?pattern?r", where pattern is the part you remember. For
- example, you read an article with the word "howdy" in the subject,
- then decide later you want to get back to that article. Just get
- into the right newsgroup, then enter "?howdy?r" and rn will search
- back through all the articles you've read to find the last one
- with "howdy" somewhere in the title. Not the right one? Enter
- "?", and rn will retrieve the next-to-last article with "howdy"
- in the title.
- 4. You can modify your .newsrc file so that articles are no longer
- marked as being read (this file usually resides in your home
- directory). This is especially valuable if you forgot the name
- of a particular posting, but you know it was in the last ?x?
- number articles. For example, if your .newsrc file reads:
- alt.binaries.pictures.misc: 1-2380
- ...and you know that the article you're looking for was in the
- last 30 or so postings, you could edit this line to read:
- alt.binaries.pictures.misc: 1-2350
- ...so that your news reader would think that you hadn't yet seen
- these articles (of course you'll have to re-sort through many
- other articles you've already seen, but hopefully you'll at least
- be able to find the "lost" article!). IMPORTANT NOTE!!: If you
- edit your .newsrc file, make *absolutely sure* that you aren't
- currently running a news reader session - this may munge the
- .newsrc file, or cause other undefined or undesirable side-effects.
-
- By using these techniques, you won't have to ask for someone to e-mail you a
- copy or to re-post the article, since you already have it and know how to
- get back to it!
-
-
- VIII. TEST POSTS
-
- If you're trying out a new method of posting, or if you are posting a
- picture for the first time, or if it's been a while since you posted a
- picture and you're not really sure you remember all the details on how to
- do it right, by all means, PLEASE DO A TEST POSTING FIRST! Test postings
- should *NEVER* be made in any of the pictures newsgroups or the pictures
- discussion newsgroups - there are plenty of test newsgroups made for just
- this purpose (local.test is your best choice, misc.test is also nice).
- Wherever you do your test posting, make sure to add the line
- Distribution: local
- in the heading so your post doesn't go outside your site. Make sure that
- you can download, re-construct, and view the picture you've posted. Then,
- when you're satisfied that all is well, post it into the appropriate
- pictures newsgroup!
-
-
- IX. DEALING WITH THOSE WHO DON'T/WON'T FOLLOW ETIQUETTE
-
- How should you react if you notice someone violating any of these items
- of netiquette? It depends on what they've done, of course. In the case
- of some posting that you find offensive, the best course of action is
- just to ignore it. 95% of the time, these people are just trying to pull
- someone's chain - and they are usually pretty successful (I can't tell
- you how many megabytes of responses I've seen to just one sentence of
- crap). Another 3% of the time, someone has left themselves logged in and
- is having a "joke" played on them by a "friend". The other 2% of the time,
- they actually believe what they are saying. In this case, do you really
- think that they care that you find what they say offensive? Especially in
- the last case, silence does more to thwart their behavior than anything
- else. Refusing to even acknowledge someone usually damages them more than
- you could possibly hope to do by responding to them in any way. Don't even
- waste the time, effort, and money (after all, someone *is* paying for what
- you say, somewhere) to follow up.
-
- In the case of posting a discussion to a pictures newsgroup, probably the
- *worst* thing you can possibly do is follow-up to the offending posting
- and yourself violate the same rule! After all, what good are you doing
- by complaining about someone violating a rule you ignore yourself? If you
- really *must* follow-up to this type of posting, make sure and edit the
- Newsgroups: line so that your post is re-directed to the discussion
- newsgroup. Another technique you might try is just ignoring the post -
- if enough people did this, it's entirely likely that there would soon be
- no discussion at all in the pictures newsgroups, except for the occasional
- newbie or someone not wise enough to read this FAQ - and they'd learn
- eventually. I suggest the following course of action, in order of
- preference:
- 1) Respond via e-mail. Gently suggest that they take discussion to
- the discussion newsgroup. Answer the question/request if you can.
- Suggest that they read this FAQ to get more information and to
- better understand pictures newsgroup etiquette.
- 2) Follow-up only if you can answer the question/request, re-directing
- your posting to the appropriate discussion newsgroup (edit the
- Newsgroups: line). Suggest that they read this FAQ to get more
- information and to better understand pictures newsgroup etiquette.
- 3) Ignore the posting. They'll most likely get the hint eventually.
- 4) Follow-up only if you can answer the question/request, re-directing
- the follow-ups of your posting to the appropriate discussion
- newsgroup (edit the Followup-to: line -- your posting will go to
- the pictures newsgroup, but anyone following up to your posting
- will go to the discussion newsgroup). Gently suggest that this
- type of posting belongs in the discussion newsgroup, and that
- that's where follow-ups have been re-directed. Maybe even throw
- in a small uuencoded picture at the end of your posting, just to
- make it "legal". Suggest that they read this FAQ to get more
- information and to better understand pictures newsgroup etiquette.
- The more people that respond in a positive way, the fewer the flame wars,
- and the more pictures vs. discussion will end up in the pictures
- newsgroups! That *is* what we're here for, after all!
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- HISTORY OF THIS FAQ:
- This file originally began life as the FAQ for alt.sex.pictures, and
- was first created and maintained by Dave Read (readdm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu).
- Minor changes and a few additions to clean it up a bit and make it a little
- more relevant to the alt.binaries.pictures group were made by Steven M.
- Quinn (steveq@umbc5.umbc.edu). A hierarchy of pictures groups (all under
- alt.binaries.pictures) was put into place in the fall of 1991, and since
- that time, Jim Howard (deej@cadence.com) has come forward to take over
- the maintenance of the "new" FAQ.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Acknowledgements (part 1):
- * Thanx to both James Ralston Crawford (qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu) and
- Silver (gaynor@blaze.rutgers.edu) for input and suggestions on posting
- volume.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- That's about it for the "general etiquette" information. General pictures
- information is continued in part 2 of this FAQ. If you have any
- suggestions for things to include in future versions, don't hesitate
- to let me know...
-
- ~ deej ~ | (If I were expressing Cadence's opinions, )
- Jim Howard -- deej@cadence.com | (they'd probably make me wear a tie... )
- (^:= Flames cheerfully ignored. =:^)
- When faced with a difficult or challenging situation, I like to approach it
- by asking myself "Hmmm - how would MacGyver get out of this one?"
-